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In these days, I saw Many People having a bad deck, so, I am going to tell you WHAT is a good deck!
First, Pokemons: Mostly, every deck have 3 /4 lines. 1 starter, 1 supporter and 1 attacker. Good starter pokemon, such as Holon's Castform( let you draw card) or Yanma( Draw 2 cards). It will make your deck faster and don't need so many turns to set up.( If your deck already have a good finder, it is OK to use that instead of STARTER. Supporter,( not trainer!) is for supporting your main attacker, usually have good poke Power like HEALING FINDING or something... It is important to have good attack too! ATTACKER, of course need to have HUGE amount of damage! The Attacker must at least can do 80 damage or it will be a Supporter(my opinion, don't listen to me plz! Joking!)! Pokemon lines. Usually, starter have about 3, supporter have about 3-2-3 and attacker use 4-3-4. NEVER, NEVER use 3-3-2 or 3-2, it will be bad idea! Pokemon is usually about 18-20.
Second, trainers. Trainer have different types, supporter(not pokemon!), Stadium, Tools or others. Let's talk about Supporter first. Supporter includs DRAWER, FINDER, REFRESHER. Good Drawer, Steven's Advice, good Finder, Celio's Network, good Refresher, Copycat. These supporter is very helpful! Stadium, the stadium you have in your deck need to give you an advantage for you pokemons, it will be very good if you can use or find your stadium in a right way! Tools, I don't usually put Tools since it is USELESS to me, but might be useful to you! If your deck is Fast enough, you can leave out Tool cards. If you REALLY like tools, put 1 or 2! Other Trainers, like Balls(Poke Ball, Master Ball) is OK, use Master ball or Great ball instead of Pokball! Potion... I don't think Potion is needed if you can KO the defending pokemon really fast! Trainers usually have about 22+!
At Last, Energies. I can't say anything about energies because I don't even know what types you are using. But I will tell you we usually put 6 and 6 Basic Energy (two types) 3 Holon's Electrode, and some other energies(scramble, Boost).About Energies=<18
Your deck needs a combo too!!! Combo will make your deck faster or more powerful!!!
Find Combo in
www.pokebeach.com
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All of them are my own opinoin, tell me if you find something wrong here.
I hope you guys will change your deck idea after reading this article! I use so many time writing it! Hope it is helpful!
At Last, the most important part. GIVE YOUR SUGGESTION TO THIS ARTICLE!!!!! Thank you ladies and gentlemen!
ALL THESE THINGS MAY BE NOT TRUE!!! DON'T TRUST ALL OF THEM!!! MAKE YOUR VERY OWN DECK!!!
May have some typing errors! Sorry about that too! If you find something is wrong or very confusing, tell me straightly! I will care you laughing at me about this article, but please, please think about it one more time! Also, I am not a Great pokemon card player at all! Want to make changes in your deck? Type it to PokeBeach! They are much PRO than me...
(To the Board Admin, if I post it to wrong place, please change it because I don't know where to put! Thank you!)
(Horray for Pokemon Card!)
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本帖最後由 poliwhirlwag 於 2007-7-6 06:07 PM 編輯
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2007-7-4 02:35 PM
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Half of the statements are false, you have a few good insights tho.
2007-7-4 03:06 PM
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而家既deck已經唔係好似你所講咁單一化
進化線數量不一
pm,en, trainer比例因應deck而定
e.g. 速攻deck trainer可以多達30+, 貓ex/DP2 大力鱷 deck energy要偏多等
main attacker 亦唔一定要80+ damage
pm卡玩法已經同以前唔同左好多
單純高攻擊既deck未必係勁......
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2007-7-4 03:26 PM
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Half of the statements are false, you have a few good insights tho.
can you point out something i said wrong... i will correct it
而家既deck已經唔係好似你所講咁單一化
進化線數量不一
pm,en, trainer比例因應deck而定
e.g. 速攻deck trainer可以多達30+, 貓ex/DP2 大力鱷 deck energy要偏多等
main attacker 亦唔一定要80+ damage
pm卡玩法已經同以前唔同左好多
單純高攻擊既deck未必係勁......
this is an average deck recommendation... so if you have a special deck this might not be very useful... but i disagree that the main attck pokemon don't need 80+hp, because if you get less hp you will die in a turn or two, and the main attck will be lost...
Also, Can you give me AN EXAMPLE that is great or have PRIZES(World Champion) that doesn't use 3-2-3(4/3/4, 2/1/2)?I don't think so...
Some more reference here
http://pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=739
http://pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=3497
Can proof I am not really wrong!
Also, you can post your deck to POKEBEACH, 3-3-2, and will have great comments!
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2007-7-4 03:47 PM
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於 2007-7-4 02:35 PM 發表。
It is important to have good attack too! ATTACKER, of course need to have HUGE amount of damage! The Attacker must at least can do 80 damage or it will be a Supporter! Pokemon lines.
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於 2007-7-4 03:47 PM 發表。
but i disagree that the main attck pokemon don't need 80+hp, because if you get less hp you will die in a turn or two, and the main attck will be lost...
damage同hp可是兩回事來的, 別耍我
323, 434等結構我冇唔同意, 本人亦都用緊
問題在於進化線加埋既數量...你個example 好似太多了吧?
3隻starter + 3-2-3 support + 4-3-4 attack
正常黎講二進 + 一進比較正路
二進 + 二進副deck比較難run得順
除左用大比鳥 / 尼美后 delta / 鋼蟹delta 等強大power輔助
holon's castform 我同意係某d deck會好好用... 要draw 卡就只限於 delta deck
而家香港已經黎到DP時代, 唔好quote美國既野黎做reference.
美國既metagame同香港好唔同.
至起碼ex deck, delta 系係當地仍然好流行, 而香港已經比較少見.
所以world champ 贏到既deck 唔等於會係香港work
以其作例其實都冇咩意思.
陽陽瑪...老實講draw 兩張唔太吸引.
可以既話用PCG8隻大口怪搵trainer起壇唔好?
要教大家砌deck可以有排講
而且每個人都有個人喜好
又何來公式跟隨之有?
我的PM卡買賣
2007-7-4 05:20 PM
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來自 Kalia Republic 卡莉雅共和
段野o係邊copy出黎？
語氣好寸....
回正題：
主攻獸梗係唔會用3-2
不過次攻獸 / power 獸用3-2 就好使好用
P.S.poliwhirlwag係唔係唔識打中文?
妮克絲(Nyx)是一位連宙斯(Zeus)都怕的強勢神明，但祂極少出現在希臘神話中，而且幾乎找不到祂的信徒。
2007-7-4 09:15 PM
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來自 英國斯雲西
凡事冇絕對，只有真情趣
少有人這樣出文，加精！
？？？？？
2007-7-5 12:28 AM
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QUOTE:
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blue_allison
於 2007-7-4 09:15 PM 發表。
段野o係邊copy出黎？
語氣好寸....
回正題：
主攻獸梗係唔會用3-2
不過次攻獸 / power 獸用3-2 就好使好用
P.S.poliwhirlwag係唔係唔識打中文?
Of course not la!!! I write it all by myself!!! Some Bad English, Sorry!!! I can type Chinese but too slow!! should use 3-3 instead of 3-2!!! It is better!
2007-7-5 05:59 PM
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來自 波波球的波波村XD
QUOTE:
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poliwhirlwag
於 2007-7-5 05:59 PM 發表。
Of course not la!!! I write it all by myself!!! Some Bad English, Sorry!!! I can type Chinese but too slow!! should use 3-3 instead of 3-2!!! It is better!
原來你識打中文。
但係點解3-2唔得？
次攻獸 / power 獸都唔洗咁多隻。
I am jigglypuff.
2007-7-5 09:05 PM
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來自 鋼鐵的7人
我相信樓主閣下的思想仍維持住ADV(RS-HL)的時代
單純的高攻擊力不是就能成為「好」卡組
現在的時代是需多方面發展
好像「大宇宙意志」的卡組
它不是擁有高強的攻擊力
它擁有的
是極大的干擾力和控制力
又如現在的卡牌
像DP1重甲一樣
它的攻擊背負強大的負作用
但玩家重視的
是它的Poke-Power
現在的卡組
不是你想像般簡單
其背後的理論
不是人人所估計到的
競速王！
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最後笑的仍然是我，因為水手服就是結論。
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かがみ女王樣最上！
2007-7-5 11:41 PM
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Nope, you are wrong! I have already said: NEED COMBO TOO!!!!! Combo means everything includs annoy, search, or other things. Yep, Poke Power or Body is great if you can use it well! I didn't say Damage is the best! I said COMBO is the best! (Bad English!) but of course, the pokemon need damage to knock out defending pokemon, so you can't just leave out the damage part. I don't think DP changed that. So... I think my English is a bit CONFUSING, sorry about that!
2007-7-6 05:59 PM
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來自 森林
樓主你講得好啱呀
真係十分感謝
宜加我識砌deck了
不如揾日同你打一埸睇下我砌得啱唔啱
好嗎??
2007-7-6 06:57 PM
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來自 Kalia Republic 卡莉雅共和
QUOTE:
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好神的鯊塵仔
於 2007-7-5 11:41 PM 發表。
我相信樓主閣下的思想仍維持住ADV(RS-HL)的時代
單純的高攻擊力不是就能成為「好」卡組
現在的時代是需多方面發展
好像「大宇宙意志」的卡組
它不是擁有高強的攻擊力
它擁有的
是極大的干擾力和控制力
...
我副本國阿....
重甲4-4-4+大比鳥3-2-2+鑽石LV.X+Holon Circle+老人+VS seeker+Super Scoop up......Orz
QUOTE:
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於 2007-7-6 05:59 PM 發表。
Nope, you are wrong! I have already said: NEED COMBO TOO!!!!! Combo means everything includs annoy, search, or other things. Yep, Poke Power or Body is great if you can use it well! I didn't say Da ...
呢個應該算combo吧...
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妮克絲(Nyx)是一位連宙斯(Zeus)都怕的強勢神明，但祂極少出現在希臘神話中，而且幾乎找不到祂的信徒。
2007-7-6 07:32 PM
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QUOTE:
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於 2007-7-6 07:32 PM 發表。
我副本國阿....
重甲4-4-4+大比鳥3-2-2+鑽石LV.X+Holon Circle+老人+VS seeker+Super Scoop up......Orz
呢個應該算combo吧...
有什麼combo?
重甲4-4-4+雙尾4-4is good
2007-7-6 08:35 PM
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來自 Kalia Republic 卡莉雅共和
對住我副本國，如果唔夠高攻同回deck卡的話，副deck好快變得"薄徹徹"XD
妮克絲(Nyx)是一位連宙斯(Zeus)都怕的強勢神明，但祂極少出現在希臘神話中，而且幾乎找不到祂的信徒。
2007-7-6 10:28 PM
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樓主你講得好啱呀
真係十分感謝
宜加我識砌deck了
不如揾日同你打一埸睇下我砌得啱唔啱
好嗎??
No need thx! If Mom let, ok!
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原帖由 好神的鯊塵仔 於 2007-7-5 11:41 PM 發表。
我相信樓主閣下的思想仍維持住ADV(RS-HL)的時代
單純的高攻擊力不是就能成為「好」卡組
現在的時代是需多方面發展
好像「大宇宙意志」的卡組
它不是擁有高強的攻擊力
它擁有的
是極大的干擾力和控制力
...
我副本國阿....
重甲4-4-4+大比鳥3-2-2+鑽石LV.X+Holon Circle+老人+VS seeker+Super Scoop up......Orz
QUOTE:
原帖由 poliwhirlwag 於 2007-7-6 05:59 PM 發表。
Nope, you are wrong! I have already said: NEED COMBO TOO!!!!! Combo means everything includs annoy, search, or other things. Yep, Poke Power or Body is great if you can use it well! I didn't say Da ...
呢個應該算combo吧...
What is the Combo??? I don't get it... also, why don't you use 3-2-3??? 2-1-2 is more better than 3-2-2!!! Use 4-3-4 and put more Rare Candy! Will be better! If you think your deck is OK, put it to PokeBeach and there will be some PRO player making your deck better!( They are so mean!!! Don't let them hurt you!!!
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2007-7-6 11:48 PM
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來自 Kalia Republic 卡莉雅共和
有想過你的建議，不過係驚落prize
妮克絲(Nyx)是一位連宙斯(Zeus)都怕的強勢神明，但祂極少出現在希臘神話中，而且幾乎找不到祂的信徒。
2007-7-7 08:09 AM
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=_=... you won't be that unlucky... so, that is why, we need many copies of a card to prevent your favourite card go to the prize card.(Actually, I don't get your point. You think your basic will go to the prize card?)
2007-7-7 05:48 PM
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波波球萬歲！
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=_=... you won't be that unlucky... so, that is why, we need many copies of a card to prevent your favourite card go to the prize card.(Actually, I don't get your point. You think your basic will g ...
你有冇試過個deck落得兩張copy，
又兩張copy落咗price card，
整到輸咗？
I am jigglypuff.
2007-7-7 05:53 PM
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來自 Kalia Republic 卡莉雅共和
落得三張o既結果：
1)三張落哂prize(應該唔會咁唔好彩.......)
2)pokemon card：
兩張落prize，1張畀人打死
trainer card：
兩張落prize，1張抽極都抽唔到(洗極都o係deck底)
這是本人經驗，不過呢D野應該5次就發生一次，不過對於本國dek，絕對唔可以忽視
妮克絲(Nyx)是一位連宙斯(Zeus)都怕的強勢神明，但祂極少出現在希臘神話中，而且幾乎找不到祂的信徒。
2007-7-7 06:11 PM
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